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• Song Name: 66. Pantomimetic
• Artist: On the Time Lash

Ben and Mark discuss sub-par Cyber sequels as they debate the relative merits of 'Closing Time' and 'Attack of the Cybermen'. Are they each as bad as fan wisdom will have you believe? If you've been listening to this podcast for a while you'll probably know the answer to that.

Under discussion: Parenthood, the fear of children, psycho-analysing Steven Moffat, being rude about DWM staff, saying nice things about Eric Saward, dodgy synths and guns.

Also: As series 11 continues, Ben and Mark briefly discuss 'Rosa' and 'Arachnids in the UK'.

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